Ἀναβίωσις τοῦ ὀνόματος «Ἕλληνες» (St. Runciman, ἠλ. λίστες «istoria», «hellas»)

Από την ηλεκτρονική λίστα "istoria" (istoria@platon.ee.duth.gr)
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:05:58 +0200
From: stelios 
Subject: o oros "Ellhn"

Filoi,

Einai gnwsto oti stis arxes tou Byzantiou o oros ellhn eixe mia
ypotimhtikh xroia yponowntas ton "eidwlolatrh" kai gi'auto
apofeugotane. Oi Byzantinoi htan klasikomaneis, gnwrizane arista tous
klassikous, aisqanontousan apogonoi twn Ellhnwn, alla ton oro "ellhn"
ton apefeugan.

Ta pragmata arxizan na allazoun meta to 1204. H epoxh ekeinh enw apo
politikhs apopsews htan ena telma, apo politistikhs xarakthrizetai
san ellhnikh anagennhsh.

H nea xrhsh tou orou "Ellhn" fainetai pws egkainiasthke sthn
Qessalonikh. Se enan panhgyriko pou egrapse gia ton Agio Dhmhtrio
to 1348 o Nikolaos Kabasilas, perigrafei thn Qessalonikh ws deyterh
polh twn Aqhnwn, estia twn Ellhnwn ths epoxhs tou, kai se mia
epistolh pou esteile sthn Polh ston Patera tou, fobatai mhpws h
akalaisqhth glwssa tou skandalisei "ymas tous Ellhnas".

O Nikhforos Grhgoras, allhlografwntas me ton Kyprio
Aqanasio Lependrhno, rwta ti exei meinei apo ta arxaia kleh sthn
Kypro.
O Lependrhnos to 1355 tou apantaei: "peri pantwn twn Ellhnwn en Kyprw"
kai perigrafei kai allous topous "en ois Ellhnes zwsi".

Argotera o Dhmhtrios Kydwnhs xrhsimopoiei ton oro Ellas me thn ennoia
ths Byzantinhs Autokratorias.

Enw to 1440 O Iwannhs Argyropoulos, grafei gia ton agwna gia thn
eleutheria ths "Ellados" kai apokalei ton autokratora
Iwannh ton H "basilea ths Ellados".

Akoma kai O Gewrgios Sxolarios xrhsimopoiei thn leksh Ellhnes gia na
perigrapsei osous eixan ellhniko aima.

Auth h anabiwsh tou onomatos Ellhn apotelei kleidi gia thn teleytaia
byzantinh annagennhsh, pou htan mia ellhnikh anagennhsh.
Alla gi'authn qa grapsw argotera.

PHGH: Steven Runciman:H TELEYTAIA BYZANTINH ANAGENNHSH

Stelios/EIRE
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Date: Mon, 22 Jan 1996 23:45:23 +0200
From: cptlight@hypernet.hyper.gr (Lambrini Thoma)
Subject: Re: o oros "Ellhn"

At 23:05 22/01/1996 +0200, stelios wrote:

>Einai gnwsto oti stis arxes tou Byzantiou o oros ellhn eixe mia
>ypotimhtikh xroia yponowntas ton "eidwlolatrh" kai gi'auto
>apofeugotane. Oi Byzantinoi htan klasikomaneis, gnwrizane arista tous
>klassikous, aisqanontousan apogonoi twn Ellhnwn, alla ton oro "ellhn"
>ton apefeugan.

Apo thn epoxh ths kyriarxhshs toy Xristianismoy, 0a elega Stelio moy, otan
akomh h Rwmaikh aytokratoria htan enwmenh kai 0a htan adokimo na milame gia
"Byzantio".

>Ta pragmata arxizan na allazoun meta to 1204. H epoxh ekeinh enw apo
>politikhs apopsews htan ena telma, apo politistikhs xarakthrizetai
>san ellhnikh anagennhsh.

Ligo nwritera (me olo to sebasmo kai thn agaph poy trefw ston s.Steven;-).
Apo ton 11o ai. o oros "basilhas twn Ellhnwn" xrhsimopoieitai gia ton
Aytokratora. Apla, ap th stigmh poy h Dysh mas xtyphse (mas e3ontwse 0a
elega) dioti eimastan "Ellhnes" (Graikoi Dyssebeis, elegan oi
dytikoi-papikoi tote) ayto to Graeci ginetai timhtikos titlos gia mas
(eimaste peismwn laos;-).

>H nea xrhsh tou orou "Ellhn" fainetai pws egkainiasthke sthn
>Qessalonikh. Se enan panhgyriko pou egrapse gia ton Agio Dhmhtrio
>to 1348 o Nikolaos Kabasilas,

Agios ths ekklhsias mas, epishs.

>Auth h anabiwsh tou onomatos Ellhn apotelei kleidi gia thn teleytaia
>byzantinh annagennhsh, pou htna mia ellhnikh anagennhsh.
>Alla gi'authn qa grapsw argotera.

Gnwstoterh ws Palaiologia anagennhsh...

>Stelios/EIRE

rL
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Από την ηλεκτρονική λίστα "hellas" (hellas@lists.psu.edu)
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Subject: Ellnvikotns - tourkokratia (1)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:02:09 +0300
From: Phidias Bourlas 

O Pavagiwtns o Karras mas 8umnse ta logia tou Makrugiavvn:
>
> "Ayta ta agalmata, osa talira kai na sas dwsoyn, na mhn katadexthte
> na fygoyn apo thn patrida mas. Gi' ayta polemhsame."
>
   Ta erwtnmata pou ete8nsav ntav av o Makrugiavvns 3erei ti leei
kai pw's prepei va ermnveusoume ta logia auta` eivai ta logia auta
xaraktnristika tns e8vikns suveidnsews twv Ellnvwv kai tns istorikns
suvexeias tou Ellnvismou;
   Stnv "Istoria tou Ellnvikou E8vous", 1975, t. IA', sel. 433, o
L. Bravousns (ev8ermos 8aumastns tou Neoellnvikou Diafwtismou), grafei
ta e3ns:

   "Istorikn suvexeia kai e8vikn suveidnsn. Sta8ero upoba8ro n
paradosn. [s.s. pro tns paideias tou Diafwtismou] Ekte8nkav
prongoumevws oi paragovtes pou suvetelesav sto va diasw8n kai va
sugkrotn8n ws "Gevos" [s.s. ep' autou 8a akolou8nsei allo mnvuma] o,ti
epeznse apo tov ellnvobuzavtivo kosmo meta tn 8eomnvia twv o8wmavikwv
kataktnsewv. Apofasistikwtata suvebalav oi pveumatikoi paragovtes: n
8rnskeia, suvektikos desmos kai prostateutiko teixos, n koivn glwssa, o
xwros kai o laos me tnv istorikn tou suvexeia, oi patroparadotoi 8esmoi
kai paradoseis, n sullogikn mvnmn tou koivou parel8ovtos, n koivn moira
tou parovtos, oi idies parngores elpides gia to mellov. H suvoxn tou
Gevous uparxei ndn diamorfwmevn sto ideologiko tou upoba8ro: Apo
tn mia, n buzavtivn klnrovomia - n "8eosdotn" basileia twv "agiwv
autokratorwv", n "8eofrourntn" Ekklnsia, o "oikoumevikos" patriarxns,
o "periousios laos" tns Or8odo3ias -, aprosdiwristos isws mustikismos,
alla aevan pavtote pngn messiavikns prosdokias, autopepoi8esews kai
oramatismwv. Apo tnv alln, oi arxaioi progovoi, n do3a twv aiwvwv,
sofoi kai nrwes, timwroi twv Asiatwv kai kosmokratores.
   O upodoulos Ellnvismos eivai evas kosmos pou galouxeitai me tous
8rulous tou "marmarwmevou basilia", avazntei to "plnrwma tou xrovou"
sta xrnsmologia, istorei stis toixografies twv ekklnsiwv tov Aka8isto
me tnv poliorknmevn Kwvstavtivoupoli katw apo tn skepn tns Upermaxou,
zwgrafizei omws kai tous "Ellnves" filosofous dipla stous profntes`
ovomazei "ellnvika" ta kuklwpeia teixn kai favtazetai tous "Ellnves"
mu8ikous gigavtes` 3erei gia ka8e akropoln n' pedio maxns 8aumastes
istories pou suvebnsav "stov kairo twv Ellnvwv"` ema8e va apavta stis
gorgoves oti "zn o basilias Ale3avdros"` rwtaei kai 3erei poious
megalous avdres abgale o topos tou stnv arxaiotnta` mox8ei va spoudasei
ta "ellnvika" twv palaiwv bibliwv, dioti eivai n glwssa tou Euaggeliou
kai twv Paterwv tns Ekklnsias, alla kai n glwssa twv sofwv tou
progovwv` skubei me katavu3n sta suva3aria twv veomarturwv, pou
tovwvouv tnv egkarternsn me tnv uposxesn ouraviwv fwtostefavwv, alla
pa8aivetai diabazovtas tn "fullada tou Megale3avtrou", tov opoio
prosmevei va 3avafavei, timwros kai dikaiokritns.
   Sto govimo auto edafos erixve oloeva kai plousiwtero tov sporo tns n
paideia. [s.s. Upnrxe "govimo edafos" epomevws, dev "xalkeu8nke" ek tou
mndevos n e8vikn suveidnsn, aperree apo tnv idia tn fusn twv pragmatwv,
tn zwvtavn ais8nsn tns istorikns suvexeias tou Ellnvismou.] H epigvwsn
tns progovikns klnrovomias, kati sav suvais8nma uperoxns, givetai
autopepoi8nsn. Apo tis mustikes pnges twv messiavikwv prosdokiwv
avaduetai n pistn se kapoia istorika peprwmeva. Kaveis dev amfiballei
oti, meta tnv ebdomada twv Pa8wv, erxetai n Avastasn."

   8a suvexisoume.

        F.M.
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Subject: Ellnvikotns - tourkokratia (2)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 1998 13:02:18 +0300
From: Phidias Bourlas 

Stnv "Istoria tou Ellnvikou E8vous", 1975, t. IA', sel. 349, o
K.8. Dnmaras episnmaivei to rolo, sta xrovia tns tourkokratias, tns
suveidnsns tns istorikns suvexeias tou Ellnvismou. Avaferei:
   "O Gewrgios Gemistos Pln8wv diaknrussei: "Esmev gar ouv Ellnves to
gevos, ws n te fwvn kai n patrios paideia marturei." Duo nmeres priv
tnv Alwsn, o Kwvstavtivos Palaiologos ovomazei tnv Poln "elpida kai
xarav pavtwv twv Ellnvwv".
   Dev exouv perasei ekato xrovia apo tnv Alwsn, kai o Avtwvios
Eparxos grafei to makro tou arxaiko poinma "8rnvos eis tnv Ellados
katastrofnv". Sugxrovos tou eivai o arxngos mis8oforwv 8wmas, o opoios
prosfwvei tous sumpatriwtes tou pou odngei stnv maxn: "Ellnvwv gar
esmev paides, kai barbarwv smnvos ou ptooume8a.""
   Parakatw avaferetai stov spoudaio Favariwtn logio D. Katartzn, eva
pveuma ikavo va avtilambavetai ta mnvumata twv vewv kairwv, xwris
omws va apokoptetai ka8olou apo tnv palaia Favariwtikn paradosn. Etsi
o Katartzns to 1783 e3akolou8ei va protima to ovoma "Rwmios" avti tou
"Ellnv", ka8ws, leei, "o3' ap' tous spoudaious mas opou eipa, olo
to e8vos mas twra, otav lev Ellnva, voouve eidwlolatrn. Pws eixame
progovous tous Ellnves timn megalwtatn, xwris va pretevteroume
t' ovoma". Episnmaivei omws:
   "Af' ou evas Rwmnos sullogistn mia fora pws katagetai apo tov
Periklea, 8emistoklea kai allous paromoious Ellnves, n' ap' tous
suggeveis tou 8eodosiou, tou Belisariou, tou Narsn, tou Boulgaroktovou,
tou Tzimiskn, k' allwv toswv megalwv Rwmaiwv, n' elkei to gevos tou
apo kavevav agio, n' apo kavevav tou suggevn, pw's va mnv agapa tous
apogovous ekeivwv k' autwvwv twv megalwv av8rwpwv; Pw's va mnv to 'xn
xara tou va dustuxn se tetoia politikn koivwvia pou suvapartizouv
autoi; Pw's va mnv povn aiwviws to edafos pou tous ava8rey' ekeivous
k' autouvous; Kai trabwvtas asmevos tov douleio tou zugo, pw's va mn
brexn me dakrua tov topo pou ebayav me to aima tous, ekeivoi gia do3a,
k' autoi gia tn swtnria tous;
   Ovtas loipov k' emeis opwsouv eva e8vos, k' exovtas patrida filov
edafos..."
(Bl. kai sel. 443)

   O Korans 8a grayei: "H mataiotns d' autn (oti katagovtai apo tous
arxaious Ellnves), n diafora tns 8rnskeias kai twv n8wv [...], tauta
suvetelesav wste mega meros tou e8vous va 8ewrei eauto pavtote
aixmalwtov, oudepote de ws doulov." Evw o G.P. Henderson episnmaivei
oti "se olo to 17o, to 18o kai stis arxes tou 19ou ai., oi Ellnves
dietnrnsav to suvais8nma tns movadikotntas tous, kai to gegovos auto
eivai o pio 8emeliakos ap' olous tous paragovtes pou ekavav duvatn tnv
pveumatikn tous avagevvnsn, n opoia prongn8nke tns politikns avastasews
tns veas Ellados."
   Paratnrwvtas tnv suveidnsn autn, sta xrovia tns tourkokratias,
tns istorikns suvexeias kai tns movadikotntas tou Ellnvismou, o
K. Paparrngopoulos 8a grayei oti "to e8vos tou 1821 ntav to idio kai
aparallaxto me to e8vos tou 1453".
   Kai bebaiws n suveidntopoinsn autn tou Ellnvismou exei tis baseis
tis arketous aiwves priv` givetai idiaitera evtovn meta to sxisma
(1054) kai akoma perissotero tn fragkikn kataktnsn (1204). O Charles
Diehl grafei: "S' autn tnv poln (Kwv/poln), n opoia epi toso makro
diastnma eixe upostnri3ei oti eivai klnrovomos tns rwmaikns paradosews,
eivai snmavtiko va snmeiwsei kaveis tnv kataplnktikn avabiwsn tns
mvnmns tou ellnvikou parel8ovtos kai va paratnrnsei tn gevesn evos
ellnvikou patriwtismou, o opoios eivai ekfrasn mias apo tis idees pou
odngnsav stnv avasustasn tns veas Elladas to 19o ai."
   Kai oi Fragkoi, opws mas leei o stixourgos tou "Xrovikou tou
Morews", gvwrizav oti oi Buzavtivoi "apo tn Rwmn apnrasiv to ovoma twv
Rwmaiwv" alla "Ellnves eixav to ovoma, outws tous wvomazav."

        F.M.
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